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PostSubject: The immoral oppressive Prussian education system   Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:37 pm

The political motivations of the King of Prussia

Seeking to replace the controlling functions of the local aristocracy, the Prussian court attempted to instill social obedience in the citizens through indoctrination. Every individual had to become convinced, in the core of his being, that the King was just, his decisions always right, and the need for obedience paramount.

The schools imposed an official language to the prejudice of ethnic groups living in Prussia. The purpose of the system was to instill loyalty to the Crown and to train young men for the military and the bureaucracy. As the German philosopher Johann Gottlieb Fichte, a key influence on the system, said, "If you want to influence [the student] at all, you must do more than merely talk to him; you must fashion him, and fashion him in such a way that he simply cannot will otherwise than what you wish him to will." [1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_education_system

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PostSubject: Re: The immoral oppressive Prussian education system   Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:42 pm

By a poster on some forum:

So now we see that whole intent from the design of the system of
education was not to educate in the traditional sense but to create a
citizenry that follows the national authority no matter how irrational
it is.

"In a speech he gave before businessmen prior to the First World War, Woodrow Wilson made this unabashed disclosure:

We want one class to have a liberal education. We want another class, a
very much larger class of necessity, to forgo the privilege of a
liberal education and fit themselves to perform specific difficult
manual tasks.
"

Extending Childhood - John Taylor Gatto

Those are just a couple of arguments but logically, I have many problems that I have observed on my own.

Coercion with the pledge of allegiance- forcing or coercing children to pledge their allegiance to anything is flat out wrong.
Let them decide if it's worth pledging to when they are adults.

Punishment of defensive violence-
Punishing children for defending themselves in a fight is wrong, this
has become nearly universal in all schools and it teaches pacifism
which is a political/social opinion and not a universal standard.

National educational standards- No one state or region of the country is the same, nor is each individual student the same.
Requiring each one to meet some sort of "National Standard" when each
have different wants and/or needs is just impractical and stupid.

Irrational Hierarchies- The irrational hierarchies that develop within the schools is abusive to children who are not members of the top group.
Typically you have the smartest kids being ostracized and abused until
in some cases they either move under the achievement radar in order to
escape the abuse or they eventually drop out of school.

Some of the most if not the best and smartest individuals are drop outs.
Those that would unseat the valedictorian in short order are the people
usually abused by the other kids who don't have the same drive and
abilities.
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