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PostSubject: Hello An-Caps   Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:36 pm

Hello

It's great to see a forum like this, and I hope to provide actionable information along with having some hearty and healthy debate. I'm a believer in "might makes" no right or wrong, it's just how the universe works. I'm also a moral nihilist, but I'm NOT A SOCIOPATH!! I'm actually a moral nihilist because I understand human-beings have empathy sympathy, and vicarious joy. It's built into simply being an intelligent animal. I also respect intellectual property in concept, though how it's implemented is fairly corrupt. There's actually regular practices in intellectual property which are not dissimilar to spiking a person's drink with a drug to get them hooked (some kinds of advertising). At the end, I still want a market which is as competitive as it possibly could be, and so I favor public intellectual property such as Linux and other open source material. Why one and the other at the same time? I'd have to make my arguments which show the basis for information. But in short, I want to help the human species to evolve, and it cannot learn how to make good decisions if other people are by-passing the contextual part of their brain with threats.
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PostSubject: Re: Hello An-Caps   Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:50 pm

Hi there!

Well, you certainly have a bizarre mixture of beliefs...

There's a few like you, floating through various forums...

You really should, check your premises...



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PostSubject: Re: Hello An-Caps   Wed Aug 25, 2010 3:46 am

And hello to you too.

I concur with Covops, that your beliefs seem incoherent. This for example:

@OvertSubversive wrote:
I'm actually a moral nihilist because I understand human-beings have empathy sympathy, and vicarious joy.

Could you please explain why you think empathy, sympathy, etc., entail moral nihilism?
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PostSubject: Re: Hello An-Caps   Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:08 pm

Oh! No problem. Morality is the abstraction designed to explain those events, like a rationalization. I don't think it's needed, and I actually think it can detract from a person's understanding of their own preferences and other people's as well. I kind of see it like a state. It's not needed because the faculties which made it exist independent of it. It can become a dis-utility if a person eventually forgets the scenario which 'caused the creation of their moral on the first place, and they're instead making decisions and opinions based on an abstract "right" and "wrong".

I hope that clears it up, even if it sounds too picky.
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PostSubject: Re: Hello An-Caps   Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:54 pm

Doesn't clear anything up.

Morality is a code of values to guide choices and actions. It's not a primary and is based on man's nature. Furthermore, man's nature correctly identified, is done via epistemology, logic. Since knowledge is not automatic, man, by his own nature, requires a means of discernment as to what actions are good for him, and what actions aren't. It's necessary for his survival.

To jettison morality is to commit intellectual suicide... not very helpful, for living ones life.

Your own statement contradicts itself. You aim to convey your belief, yet such belief implicitly relies on morality, to establish, that it is in fact a correct belief. ie. That it is right and not wrong. You simply can't avoid morality or its judgments of right/wrong.

Told you to check your premises...
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PostSubject: Re: Hello An-Caps   Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:57 pm

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Morality is the abstraction designed to explain those events,

Empathy, sympathy etc., are not events.

Is your post "not needed" because the words "which made it exist independent of it"?
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PostSubject: Re: Hello An-Caps   Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:13 am

Instances? When they happen? I generally find that empathy is a reaction to a specific situation, which is why I call them instances. Perhaps we should take this to the Intellectual Forum... dun dun dunnn!
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