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PostSubject: Morality, what ultimately is   Sun May 17, 2015 3:10 pm

Im discussing with a statist friend, about morality, and he made the claim that most people, specially philosophers, would agree with the following

Morality is the process in which we decide whats ultimately in our best self interest.

Im testing if its true, so, what do you think?
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PostSubject: Re: Morality, what ultimately is   Sun May 17, 2015 5:57 pm

Not true, especially not with philosophers.

In the history of philosophy, 99% are altruists, hence support sacrifice and that's definitely not in one's self interest. They'll typically promote sacrifice for some 'higher cause' such as family, tribe, King, Queen, country, god, Gaia, the proletariat, government, any stray 'others,' etc.

Very few are egoist based, ie. A. Rand.


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PostSubject: Re: Morality, what ultimately is   Sun May 17, 2015 6:13 pm

CovOps wrote:
Not true, especially not with philosophers.

In the history of philosophy, 99% are altruists, hence support sacrifice and that's definitely not in one's self interest. They'll typically promote sacrifice for some 'higher cause' such as family, tribe, King, Queen, country, god, Gaia, the proletariat, government, any stray 'others,' etc.

Very few are egoist based, ie. A. Rand.


Right, they are collectivists, and define morality as collectivist. Where does that leave you when you're on a desert island?


And that makes them natural allies of statists:
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Obama believes in state-sanctioned, secular socialism to advance this ethical perspective. The Pope probably favors something different. But if were honest about it, they rely on the same ethical doctrine when it comes to promoting their approach to morality: Your life does not belong to you. It belongs to God, to the Church, to the government, to the needy masses anybody but yourself.
http://capitalismmagazine.com/2015/05/obamas-phobia-of-ayn-rand/
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